How are Hinduism and Sikhism related, considering they both originated in Punjab, India?

ਊਹਾਂ ਤਉ ਜਾਈਐ ਜਉ ਈਹਾਂ ਨ ਹੋਇ ॥੨॥

The Sant Sampraday of Sikh panth integrates the warrior spirit of the Nihangs and Khalsa, the service of Seva panth and the renunciation of Udasi/Nirmala saints.

My body and breath of life belong to Allah - to Raam - the God of both. ||4||

Why do narcissist move on so easily?

Bhagat Kabir ji / Raag Gauri / / Guru Granth Sahib ji - Ang 325

Sikhism is a NIRGUN path descending from the Sant Sampraday of Ramanandacharya and traces its ideas to VEDANTA!

I ground up sandalwood, along with several fragrant oils.

Why do I sweat a great deal while exercising the same on some days and not so much on others?

Ramanandacharya’s teachings were centered on pure and personal connection with the God Rama and didn’t believe in any kind of formal ritualism. He used the common vernacular language instead of Sanskrit so that everyone could understand.

Here ਨਿਰਗੁਣ is Nirgun and not just lord. This is just another example to show that Kabir himself continued in the NIRGUN BHAKTI path.

The divergence of Kabir’s views from Vedanta is seen in the fact that he fully opposed religious symbolism of ALL KINDS and not just IDOLS.

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Sadhna (a Muslim butcher) and

For many years, I practiced penance and intense meditation at Kaashi;

Kabir (a weaver)

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So in the same spirit Kabir finds pilgrimages to holy cities futile as his mind is fixated on Rama!

Where spring, the lord of seasons reigneth, there the unstruck music sounds of itself,

Bhagat Kabir ji / Raag Gauri / / Guru Granth Sahib ji - Ang 326

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As mentioned above Guru Arjan Dev was talking from the perspective Sant Kabir whose views we have discussed much earlier here. We know that Sant Kabir continuing in the Ramanandi Sampradaya went further away from the mainstream ritualistic Hinduism and was journeying more towards a SEAMLESS Dharma.

Sant Kabir was staunchly against cow slaughter.

— Kabir, III.2, Translated by Rabindranath Tagore

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ਜਹਾ ਜਾਈਐ ਤਹ ਜਲ ਪਖਾਨ ॥

We can see that great saints like Kabir and Ravidas etc… descended from the Ramananda sampradaya which is still the largest ascetic order in India.

Sain (a barber)

What is the kinkiest thing you and your sex partner have done in bed?

Look within your heart, for there you will find both Karim and Ram;

I went to God's place, and worshipped Him there.

ਕਬੀਰ ਨਿਰਗੁਣ ਨਾਮ ਨ ਰੋਸੁ ॥

If there exists a “New York of Australia”, is it Sydney or Melbourne?

ਜਿਉ ਜਲ ਛੋਡਿ ਬਾਹਰਿ ਭਇਓ ਮੀਨਾ ॥

The Saadh Sangat, the Company of the Holy, is heaven. ||4||10||

Kabir is the child of Allah and of Ram: He is my Guru, He is my Pir.

Do married men know when their wives are having affairs?

Says Kabeer, unto whom should I tell this?

NOW…

The influence of Kabir is significant on Sikhism. The following Bani from Ang 1136 is attributed to GURU ARJAN DEV but if you observe at the end you can see that he was talking in the spirit of Sant Kabir.

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Ramananda accepted disciples without discriminating against anyone by gender, class or caste and they included even people from humble origins like

ਏਕ ਨਿਰੰਕਾਰ ਲੇ ਰਿਦੈ ਨਮਸਕਾਰਉ ॥੩॥

ੴ ਸਤਿਗੁਰ ਪ੍ਰਸਾਦਿ ॥

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ਅਬ ਕਹੁ ਰਾਮ ਕਵਨ ਗਤਿ ਮੋਰੀ ॥

ਕਹੁ ਗੁਰ ਗਜ ਸਿਵ ਸਭੁ ਕੋ ਜਾਨੈ ॥

You have cut through all my confusion and doubt.

Raamaanand's Lord and Master is the All-pervading Lord God.

ਪੂਜਨ ਚਾਲੀ ਬ੍ਰਹਮ ਠਾਇ ॥

ਮਰਤੀ ਬਾਰ ਮਗਹਰਿ ਉਠਿ ਆਇਆ ॥੨॥

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He accepted even women (Sursuri and Padywati) as disciples. Bhagat Pipa and Dhanna were Rajput and Jat who were also his disciples.

Gauree, Kabeer Jee, Panch-Padas:

ਸਗਲ ਜਨਮੁ ਸਿਵ ਪੁਰੀ ਗਵਾਇਆ ॥

I have taken the One Formless Lord into my heart; I humbly worship Him there. ||3||

Now here in this verse

Now tell me, Lord, what will my condition be?

Now that my time to die has come, I have come to dwell at Magahar! ||3||

ਗਉੜੀ ਕਬੀਰ ਜੀ ਪੰਚਪਦੇ ॥

The young and the old drink milk pudding, but these fools eat the cow's body.

ਗੁਰ ਕਾ ਸਬਦੁ ਕਾਟੈ ਕੋਟਿ ਕਰਮ ॥੩॥੧॥

I am like a fish out of water,

To him who is high-minded, these teachings will be illuminating.

I am not a Hindu, nor am I a Muslim.

ਹਜ ਕਾਬੈ ਜਾਉ ਨ ਤੀਰਥ ਪੂਜਾ ॥

ਕਤ ਜਾਈਐ ਰੇ ਘਰ ਲਾਗੋ ਰੰਗੁ ॥

He who has highest Bhakti of Deva (God), just like his Deva, so for his Guru (teacher),

ਬ੍ਰਹਮ is Brahm i.e the Brahman of vedanta but it gets interpreted as an all-pervading lord god.

ਬਹੁਤੁ ਬਰਸ ਤਪੁ ਕੀਆ ਕਾਸੀ ॥

For him Dharma was beyond everything physical including the desire for heaven because was fully into the NIRGUN . The last verse shows that according to him the company of the enlightened Sadhus is heaven which is again a typical teaching of Sanatana Dharma.

Bhakti movement began in South (Tamil Nadu to be precise) and slowly spread to Northern parts of India. This movement was extremely popular because of its simple fundamentals which could be understood by even commonfolk. Vaishnavism, Shaivism etc… were already connecting with commonfolk from a long time and this Bhakti movement reinforced it by making the devotee feel a personal connection with the deity.

Actually, this part of the Ang 326 is widely used by McSikhs to show that Sikhism considers Hindu pilgrimages as useless and thus drives home the point again that the “religion” has got NOTHING to do with Hinduism.

I am a sacrifice to You, O my True Guru.

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Kabeer: O worthless mortal, do not lose the Naam, the Name of the Lord.

He does not dwell at the Lord's Feet. ||3||

Raamaanand's Lord and Master is the All-pervading Lord God.

At the time of my death, I moved to Magahar. ||2||

Ramanandacharya was a 14th-century Hindu Vaishnava devotional poet saint who amalgamated Advaita with Vaishnava Bhakti. He was the pioneer in validating NIRGUN and SAGUN Bhakti as parallel paths.

I left Benares - I had little common sense. ||1|| Pause ||

ਪੂਜਾ ਕਰਉ ਨ ਨਿਵਾਜ ਗੁਜਾਰਉ ॥

Again we see that the originator of this Sant Sampraday himself talks about Brahman even in Gurbani.

Ravidas (a chamar shoemaker)

ਨਾ ਹਮ ਹਿੰਦੂ ਨ ਮੁਸਲਮਾਨ ॥

We have searched the turaki Dharam (Turk's religion, Islam), these teachers throw many thunderbolts,

ਕਾਸੀ ਮਗਹਰ ਸਮ ਬੀਚਾਰੀ ॥

Guru Nanak (right) and Bhai Mardana (foreground) with Bhagat Kabir (left). This painting is found in the B-40 Janamsakhi, written and painted in 1733. The painting was made by Alam Chand Raj

ਰਾਮਾਨੰਦ ਸੁਆਮੀ ਰਮਤ ਬ੍ਰਹਮ ॥

Because in my previous life, I did not practice penance and intense meditation. ||1||

From Guru Granth Sahib ji - Ang 1195

Shvetashvatara Upanishad (6.23)

I would go there, only if the Lord were not here. ||2||

Raamaanand Jee, First House:

ਗੁਰ ਪੀਰ ਮਿਲਿ ਖੁਦਿ ਖਸਮੁ ਪਛਾਨਾ ॥੫॥੩॥

ਮੇਰਾ ਚਿਤੁ ਨ ਚਲੈ ਮਨੁ ਭਇਓ ਪੰਗੁ ॥੧॥ ਰਹਾਉ ॥

ਤੂ ਪੂਰਿ ਰਹਿਓ ਹੈ ਸਭ ਸਮਾਨ ॥

I am not a Hindu, nor am I a Muslim.

ਪੂਰਬ ਜਨਮ ਹਉ ਤਪ ਕਾ ਹੀਨਾ ॥੧॥

The Word of the Guru's Shabad eradicates the karma of millions of past actions. ||3||1||

Says Kabeer, this is what I say:

From where did the word Maya come? Isn’t it a typical Vedantic concept discussed profoundly in Advaita? It definitely isn’t a concept pioneered by Kabir or even his teacher Ramanandacharya! It is ultimately from Sanatana Dharma!

— Kabir, II.57, Translated by Rabindranath Tagore

ਸਾਧਸੰਗਤਿ ਬੈਕੁੰਠੈ ਆਹਿ ॥੪॥੧੦॥

Bhagat Kabir ji / Raag Gauri / / Guru Granth Sahib ji - Ang 325

You are totally pervading and permeating in all.

ਜਬ ਲਗੁ ਮਨਿ ਬੈਕੁੰਠ ਕੀ ਆਸ ॥

Let’s look at the most used verse by McSikhs to show that Sikhs are neither Hindus nor Muslims.

There, where millions of Krishnas stand with hands folded,

There is my Lord self-revealed, and the scent of sandal and flowers dwells in those deeps.

If God be within the mosque, then to whom does this world belong?

I do not make pilgrimages to Mecca, nor do I worship at Hindu sacred shrines.

I serve the One Lord, and not any other. ||2||

ਘਸਿ ਚੰਦਨ ਚੋਆ ਬਹੁ ਸੁਗੰਧ ॥

I wasted my whole life in the city of Shiva;

As long as the mind is filled with the desire for heaven,

Recklessly they display boundless pride while explaining their own aims, they kill cows.

Here ਰਾਮੈ is Rama and not just lord. Kabir died chanting the name of Rama DESPITE him not finding any result of penances done in holy cities in his previous birth. Another example to show how much Kabir valued personal devotion to Rama in his own NIRGUN style.

ਨਾ ਹਮ ਹਿੰਦੂ ਨ ਮੁਸਲਮਾਨ ॥

That Kabeer died chanting the Lord's Name. ||5||15||

My consciousness does not go out wandering. My mind has become crippled. ||1|| Pause ||

Bhagat Kabir ji / Raag Sriraag / / Guru Granth Sahib ji - Ang 92

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ਰਾਮਾਨੰਦ ਸੁਆਮੀ ਰਮਤ ਬ੍ਰਹਮ ॥

— Kabir, Ramaini 1, Translated by David Lorenzen

These morons know nothing, they wander about in ignorance,

How can people understand You, when they are entranced by Maya? ||1|| Pause ||

ਤਬ ਲਗੁ ਹੋਇ ਨਹੀ ਚਰਨ ਨਿਵਾਸੁ ॥੩॥

Let's look at the views of Sant Kabir

यस्य देवे परा भक्तिः यथा देवे तथा गुरौ । तस्यैते कथिता ह्यर्थाः प्रकाशन्ते महात्मनः प्रकाशन्ते महात्मन इति ।

Meeting with the Guru, my Spiritual Teacher, I realize God, my Lord and Master. ||5||3||

That God showed me the Guru, within my own mind. ||1||

then who is there to know what happens without?

Sikhism is fundamentally rooted in BHAKTI tradition and thus ultimately in Sanatana Dharma. There is no doubt about it despite what modern McSikh acrobatics try to claim otherwise

With inadequate devotion, how can anyone swim across? ||4||

If Ram be within the image which you find upon your pilgrimage,

ਕਹੁ ਕਬੀਰ ਇਹੁ ਕੀਆ ਵਖਾਨਾ ॥

Says Kabeer, the Guru and Ganaysha and Shiva all know

Where the demi-gods and the munis are unnumbered, where millions of Saraswatis, goddess of music play the vina,

ਓਛੀ ਭਗਤਿ ਕੈਸੇ ਉਤਰਸਿ ਪਾਰੀ ॥੪॥

Wherever I go, I find water and stones.

Where should I go? My home is filled with bliss.

ਕਹੁ ਕਬੀਰ ਇਹ ਕਹੀਐ ਕਾਹਿ ॥

I have searched through all the Vedas and the Puraanas.

Hari is in the East, Allah is in the West.

ਕੈਸੇ ਬੂਝੈ ਜਬ ਮੋਹਿਆ ਹੈ ਮਾਇਆ ॥੧॥ ਰਹਾਉ ॥

I do not perform Hindu worship services, nor do I offer the Muslim prayers.

ਸਤਿਗੁਰ ਮੈ ਬਲਿਹਾਰੀ ਤੋਰ ॥

Where millions of Shivas are lost in contemplation, where millions of Indras dwell in the sky,

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ਏਕੋ ਸੇਵੀ ਅਵਰੁ ਨ ਦੂਜਾ ॥੨॥

One Universal Creator God. By The Grace Of The True Guru:

ਮਰਨੁ ਭਇਆ ਮਗਹਰ ਕੀ ਬਾਸੀ ॥੩॥

One day, a desire welled up in my mind.

There is a reason why I mention ROOTED and thus NOT implying that it belongs to one of the numerous sects in Sanatana Dharma like Shaivism, Vaishnavism, Shaktism, Smartism etc…

Without looking into one's heart, how can one reach paradise?

ਜਿਨਿ ਸਕਲ ਬਿਕਲ ਭ੍ਰਮ ਕਾਟੇ ਮੋਰ ॥

ਬੇਦ ਪੁਰਾਨ ਸਭ ਦੇਖੇ ਜੋਇ ॥

How can they kill the mother, whose milk they drink like that of a wet nurse?

ਏਕ ਦਿਵਸ ਮਨ ਭਈ ਉਮੰਗ ॥

ਅਲਹ ਰਾਮ ਕੇ ਪਿੰਡੁ ਪਰਾਨ ॥੪॥

Kaashi and Magahar - I consider them the same.

ਰਾਮਾਨੰਦ ਜੀ ਘਰੁ ੧

But we have actually seen how much Kabir is also rooted in the Vedantic concept of “supreme realization” but in a non-mainstream path.

All the men and women of the world are His living forms.

Kabir, Ravidas and ultimately the NINE SIKH GURUS are a product of this very Sant Sampraday founded by Ramanandacharya!

We can understand that Kabir despite being in favor of formless worship was very much embedded in the Dharmik fold but always preached in the spirit of the transcendental nature of Brahman to the point that HE LOST THE DISTINCTION BETWEEN HINDU AND MUSLIM.

Where millions of Vishnus bow their heads, where millions of Brahmas are reading the Vedas,

CONCLUSION:

ਮੁਆ ਕਬੀਰੁ ਰਮਤ ਸ੍ਰੀ ਰਾਮੈ

There the streams of light flow in all directions, few are the men who can cross to that shore!

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For a superficial McSikh who is interested only in separation and not enlightenment the views of Kabir can be easily shown as a denouncement of Hindu practices.

Let’s see what Gurbani has about Ramanandacharya’s views.

ਤਜੀ ਲੇ ਬਨਾਰਸ ਮਤਿ ਭਈ ਥੋਰੀ ॥੧॥ ਰਹਾਉ ॥

ਮੁਆ ਕਬੀਰੁ ਰਮਤ ਸ੍ਰੀ ਰਾਮੈ ॥੫॥੧੫॥

ਸੋ ਬ੍ਰਹਮੁ ਬਤਾਇਓ ਗੁਰ ਮਨ ਹੀ ਮਾਹਿ ॥੧॥

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The views of Kabir are very much in parallel to the Advaita philosophy and it is obvious that as the disciple of Ramanandacharya he will carry forward with his chosen NIRGUN BHAKTI.